Texas UMC: Stay in your first career

If a proposed policy goes into place, I would not qualify to be certified as a candidate for ordination as elder or deacon in Texas.

Why?

Because I’m 45.

Read about it here. (Jeremy does wonderful work for a young buck.)

Someone explain to me now how Generation X is unjustly paranoid about Boomers and Millennials conspiring to step on us?

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12 thoughts on “Texas UMC: Stay in your first career

  1. As a second career certified candidate for elder, I’ll admit I’m swinging between anger and relief that I’m not in Texas–I’m graduating from seminary in May, and heading out to a two-point charge shortly thereafter. And, oh, by the way? I’m 53. Thank you, North Carolina, for letting me follow my call.
    Hoping I won’t see other conferences follow this idea. (But according to the comments on Jeremy’s article, there are some who want folks like us to go away. Not happening.)

  2. Someone explain to me now how Generation X is unjustly paranoid about Boomers and Millennials conspiring to step on us?

    Older UMC members are seen as standing in the way of the progressives.
    You don’t fit the new agenda.
    .Older members are seen as standing in the way of the young and the push is to get the young in the UMC at any cost.

    I wonder who will be left to train the young and pay the bills when the young in’s are in charge?

    1. All you have to do is look at how this younger generation is being fleeced to pay for the excesses and failures of the older generation. Lower pensions, higher health insurance, and big decaying buildings. There’s a lot to jump over, and while I’ve got my running shoes on and am addressing them head on, to claim that it is “unjustly paranoid” really ignores a lot of polity and reality going on.

  3. How long has this policy been in place? Is Texas experiencing growth? If they are then maybe they have hit upon a policy that works for them. Kind of difficult to criticize without all the facts.
    I heard my pastor say that if you are truly called you will find a way to answer that call.

    1. It is a proposal, not an adopted policy.

      My comment about Gen X sure does make it sound like I’m criticizing. I am not, really. But if this becomes a trend across the country, I’d like to know that before I make decisions that could be undone by such policies.

      If the UMC does not want me, I won’t complain. I would just like to be told.

      1. The proposal is on the table and that speaks volumes.
        The proposal, I would guess, will not pass at this time but who knows what the future holds.
        If ministry is the desire of your heart I would follow .
        If UMC ever adopts the policy there are many other churches that would welcome you.

    2. You can check the stats on the UMC website. Annual conference stats for Texas, all districts are down.

  4. Older “employees” are going to cost a lot of money.
    Health care costs are over the top and the older you are the more you will cost.
    Under the Obama plan “employees” (could be clergy) are charged up to three times the cost for a work force under the age 50.
    Pensions are a consideration. They are running low to negative on funds.
    Those are some of the realities of the day.

  5. As an older (53) local pastor who has abandoned the track for ordination, I am appalled at this and so glad that I am not in Texas. For one, I am not an “employee” of anyone. I have been called by God to serve where I am appointed to serve. My pension costs are covered by me and the conference and I cost nothing for insurance since I am covered under my wife’s policy. This is nothing but age discrimination that, if it were happening in any place but the church, would result in lawsuits.

    1. Good point. Discrimination
      You fall somewhere between an employee and a independent contractor in real terms.Your covered pension cost are funded and your share will rise.
      Look at the stats.
      Member numbers are declining and attendance records are way lower.
      Giving that funds medical and pension is mostly from attendees that give an average of 2% or less of their income.
      As taxes increase and more and more money is taken there is less to give on a voluntary basis even if church goers want to give more

  6. John,

    I’ve been saying for the last few years that we “Gen X’ers” have truly been forgotten in the shuffle. Isn’t that what Gen X was all about anyway? I think, however, it’s not the younger ones who have a problem but, rather, the older ones.

    When talking with many Millenials and even the ones coming up after them, I find they see generationalism and ageism as less of a problem if you’re just aware of the world around you. Being unaware of the changing world seems to be a much bigger problem than how old one might be.

    However, many of the Boomers were taught age was what it was all about. “Talking ’bout my generation”, right? The ageism comes from that direction because they can’t imagine other generations flowing and interweaving into another one like we can experience. They fought a generation that wouldn’t listen to them and they expect everyone else to be the same….and we are not.

    FWIW,

    The Geekpreacher

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